"Eddie Qavvik Unveiled: A Journey Through True Detective's Night Country with Joel D. Montgrand"

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[00:00:10] Joe, thank you for joining me today on Pop Culture Unplugged.

[00:00:13] >> Hey, super fun to be here, thank you.

[00:00:15] >> Excitedize it for that, I love it, you just finished your detective, you got Airbender on.

[00:00:19] How does it go from one big show right to another right away?

[00:00:22] How's your life been?

[00:00:23] >> It's been insane.

[00:00:26] Yeah, this last month and a half.

[00:00:29] My life just suddenly turned, turned big.

[00:00:32] >> Which is great too, because, I've seen in the forums and everything, you got a huge

[00:00:37] follower, even, fans love you.

[00:00:40] >> Hey, well, that's really good to hear, I like that.

[00:00:43] I know Eddie's a great character, and he's turned a lot of heads, it seems, so.

[00:00:49] >> Oh yeah, definitely, amazing.

[00:00:52] We're going to jump into a little bit, and of course, Avatar the Last Airbender.

[00:00:57] But, I want to talk about your career and everything, I wrote down here your journey

[00:01:01] and entertainment industry, how did you pursue the acting world, what made you go for it?

[00:01:06] >> Dude, it was peer pressure, I think.

[00:01:09] >> Really?

[00:01:10] >> Yeah, high school, everybody that I knew, was auditioning for the high school musical in

[00:01:14] grade 12, and I was very, very shy, but peer pressure was into trying out.

[00:01:21] So, I sung a song with a bunch of swear words in it, thinking I would just get

[00:01:24] detention, and I ended up getting one of the leads, and I was terrible.

[00:01:29] Make no mistake, I couldn't, I couldn't sing, couldn't dance, you know, and I was awful,

[00:01:35] but I fell in love with something in that moment, and I had never done anything like that before,

[00:01:41] and I'd never wanted to do anything like that, but it wouldn't let go of me, and over the next

[00:01:45] 15ish years, I kept on doing community theater until again, someone kind of pushed me and went,

[00:01:54] "You're really good at this, why don't you get an agent? I'm living in Vancouver,

[00:01:58] filming capital of North America, why don't you actually take this seriously?"

[00:02:02] And so, I went and through a mutual friend, found this agent, and it hit the ground,

[00:02:10] kind of running, I guess. I booked four out of my first five auditions and

[00:02:14] haven't looked back, so.

[00:02:16] >> How many years did you study acting before you started jumping into it?

[00:02:19] >> I never.

[00:02:20] >> The community college and everything you mentioned.

[00:02:22] >> Never took any classes. I learned through doing, I guess, through a lot of,

[00:02:27] you know, the hard way, the hard, but free way of doing community theater,

[00:02:32] and like I did some improv when I was in Edinburgh, Scotland for a bit,

[00:02:36] and off and on when I was living in British Columbia here,

[00:02:40] and yeah, just anything that I could get out in front and make myself uncomfortable with,

[00:02:45] I was doing it.

[00:02:45] >> And while you're really teaching yourself this craft and everything,

[00:02:50] you're going back to watch certain movies or watch somebody's movies or TV shows,

[00:02:55] try to model yourself after, like, keep going with it?

[00:02:59] >> Yeah, completely, completely, you know? I mean, I would watch the room on

[00:03:04] repeat and just try to be like Wizzo all the way.

[00:03:07] >> Tommy Wizzo, no, the opposite of that.

[00:03:11] I would just watch all of my favorites, and I got, catch myself doing monologues

[00:03:17] like from a princess bride and all these funny little things, just on my own.

[00:03:22] And I realized like that's the best free form of training you can get,

[00:03:27] is just, and started thinking of different ways.

[00:03:29] How would you do this? How would this scene go this way?

[00:03:31] Because I was always too poor. Like, I've been poor my entire life, and I mean poor.

[00:03:36] When I got into acting, I spent my, only 500 bucks to my name.

[00:03:42] I got my headshots done, and then I was walking three hours across the city,

[00:03:45] because I couldn't afford a bus. I couldn't afford food property.

[00:03:48] I was sleeping on a cot for a couple of years, and getting into acting moved me out of poverty.

[00:03:53] So if anyone wants to make a little bit of money, get into acting.

[00:03:57] It's a surefire away to get some success.

[00:04:00] >> Also, while you were doing all this,

[00:04:01] where you'd like, did you work any other type of job just to try to make ends meet?

[00:04:05] >> Oh, of course, yeah. I was doing all these odd jobs that I could.

[00:04:10] And again, it was one of those silly things of like, you're working all these jobs that you

[00:04:15] don't really care about, so that you can miss out on them, if you get to do a play.

[00:04:22] And then you're like, I'm sorry, I'm going to leave quit this job because I want to do this play,

[00:04:27] and it's going to take up all of my evenings, and you're not going to give me the time off.

[00:04:31] So again, I do love what I'm doing, but if it wasn't for the people around me,

[00:04:41] recognizing that maybe I had something more to offer than just this, then maybe I wouldn't be

[00:04:45] sitting here chatting with you. So I appreciate my community that I'm with.

[00:04:50] >> I wrote down here. Did I see something? Did you teach in Korea too?

[00:04:54] >> Yeah, I did. >> Tell us what I'm about that.

[00:04:58] >> I taught for three years in Korea. It was supposed to be one, but I ended up loving it so much.

[00:05:06] I was doing volunteer work when I was about 21 years old, and I had a friend who was

[00:05:12] a year older than me in Korea at that time, and it was World Cup, and they were sending these

[00:05:17] emails, and like, oh, this is crazy, and the internet was still pretty new back then too,

[00:05:21] 2001. And they were like, yeah, this is, wow, I'm having such a great time. You'd love this,

[00:05:28] you're really great. I ended up going over there. I spent, again, all the money that I had,

[00:05:34] which wasn't very much. I finished this volunteer program. You volunteer for a year,

[00:05:37] they give you a thousand bucks, and that was all the money that I had.

[00:05:40] And I went there, I got a job, I was working, and I, it was a good time to be a young,

[00:05:53] indestructible 20-year-old, 20-ish-year-old dude, right? Because I was living recklessly.

[00:05:59] And again, I learned that I was very good at entertaining, and it was another way of

[00:06:07] training, I guess, because I was not qualified to be a teacher in any regard, but the way that

[00:06:16] the schools were set up, I just had to make learning English fun, and I could do that.

[00:06:22] And I had a ridiculous retention rate, and my school was floundering when I signed up there,

[00:06:26] and they had a 50% student retention rate, they were losing students, it's all a business,

[00:06:30] and I ended up getting it up to 96%. And it was good. In the end, I was like, I left the country,

[00:06:37] and there was kids that didn't speak a word of English, and I was saying goodbye to them, and have

[00:06:40] conversations with them and it was when I was leaving that I realized, oh, I was actually pretty

[00:06:45] good at this job. I miss them. Did you now? Did you learn Korean while you were there?

[00:06:50] Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to study it. Yeah.

[00:07:10] So you've done a theater. You've done, you know, like a bunch of the TV series and everything.

[00:07:14] What's like? What's the ultimate goal for you? What are you trying to like,

[00:07:20] accomplish next? Oh, man. You know what? I would, I would love to be getting into some

[00:07:27] bigger, interesting roles, kind of like, civic adjacent even, because I just love that character

[00:07:33] so much. When I read it, I wonder if the writing pulls. But something like, I think, Pedro Pascal

[00:07:40] asked later roles, you know, I mean, I don't know about fame and all that kind of stuff. But just

[00:07:46] those kind of characters, you know, Joel from The Last of Us was such a brilliant character is

[00:07:51] just the joy to watch. So something kind of like that, you know, you're, you're, you're a man with

[00:07:57] his, with his heavy burdens to bear. I like those, I like those roles a lot. How about comedy?

[00:08:04] Because you mentioned improv before, would you, would you ever want to jump at the comedy, too?

[00:08:07] Yeah, actually. I did a kind of a, I tried to instill a little bit of comedy into a

[00:08:14] civic, into a show with no comments, really. But I, I always enjoy that. I love making people

[00:08:21] laugh. That's, that's a big thrill. There's a movie I filmed over the summer called Sweet

[00:08:26] Summer Powow. And that's pretty lighthearted. And my uncle trying to help his nephew find love.

[00:08:35] So that was a really fun, fun role to do as well. It's just the opportunity, if it were to come up,

[00:08:40] I jumped at it. Amazing. What about the podcast? How did you decide to start that? Was that like

[00:08:44] during like an off time you weren't doing anything, decided to start a podcast in between that?

[00:08:48] Yeah. Yeah, because Avatar filmed two years ago, true detective filmed a year ago. And it was

[00:08:56] right after I filmed True Detective that I found myself in this, this weird little hiatus because

[00:09:01] the industry was, was shutting down because of the strikes and everything. And it looked like

[00:09:08] that's where it was headed. So I wanted to listen to some podcasts about Indigenous actors and

[00:09:14] in this saturated landscape of podcasting, I, I couldn't find any. Like, I'd find individual

[00:09:22] interviews here on today's show. We have an interview with this actor and then mostly we're going to

[00:09:25] be talking about all this other stuff. And I was like, well, how come there's nothing dedicated to

[00:09:29] this? So out of necessity, I think I decided to create the show that I wanted to listen to. And

[00:09:34] if anyone wants to create a show, even better than mine, that'd be awesome because then I could

[00:09:39] listen. But in the meantime, I'm having a great time really kind of highlighting other Indigenous

[00:09:45] actors and trying to lift up all of us because the success of all of us is the reward. I don't want

[00:09:54] to, you know, just be in this business just just for me. That's not what, what our culture is about.

[00:10:00] I want to see us as a people succeed. Is there a special guest that you hope one day goes on your

[00:10:07] show? Oh, man, there's so many. You know, like, I, it's a small community, really. We're kind of

[00:10:13] friends with a bunch. So, and I wish I had more time to get that dedicate to it. So there's

[00:10:20] West Studie, I would love to get him. He's like the big time elder actor, I suppose. I asked

[00:10:27] Graham Greene, which is very funny. He was on the last of us as well. And he was in that movie

[00:10:32] that I did. So I asked him then, but he was just so busy and he's so hilariously grumpy grandpa,

[00:10:38] dude. It was very funny. Like, I don't have the time wrong. You know. And I laughed and I'm not

[00:10:43] going to push it with him because I respect that guy too much. But yeah, like anyone,

[00:10:48] let's see Gladstone, of course, right? She's incredible of winning the Oscar. I'm sure. I'm sure

[00:10:55] I put money down on her taking the Oscar. Yeah, just anyone that's loving it. I want to uplift

[00:11:01] them. But I also am trying to highlight other people that maybe a lot of folks haven't really

[00:11:07] heard of yet. And I think they should. I think they should have heard of him.

[00:11:11] Easy. It's awesome. And we can find that everywhere. Apple Spotify, I assume.

[00:11:15] Oh, yeah. It's on actors and ancestors.com. It's on Spotify, Apple. Yeah, all the major streaming

[00:11:22] platforms. Amazing. Let's jump into the two detective then. And I've been excited about this.

[00:11:26] First of all, do you remember your audition? Because you said it was filmed a while ago,

[00:11:29] too. Do you remember your audition? And were you approached for this certain role first?

[00:11:32] Yeah, I really do think I got this audition because I got put on the radar from the casting

[00:11:38] announcement of Avatar. Okay. So my casting in Sokoda came out and a few days later,

[00:11:44] I got the audition for True Detective. And I didn't really think anything of it then.

[00:11:48] Did my audition sent in the tape because it was all self tape. And when I got the chemistry read,

[00:11:55] I was pretty floored and excited. And I was with Kaylee and Issa and the three of us were on the call

[00:12:02] and we're all in different points on the planet doing the zoom call chemistry read, which is really

[00:12:08] difficult. Doing a chemistry read online. But managed to manage to make it work.

[00:12:15] And the next thing I knew, I was on a plane about a month and a half later heading to Iceland

[00:12:19] for a table read. And then we're doing some intimacy coordination then. And then I came back

[00:12:26] and another month later, I was back filming my stuff. Wow. So there was no self tape for this

[00:12:30] or anything, huh? The first audition was a self tape. And then the chemistry read was live.

[00:12:35] And I thought for sure I didn't get it. Oh, dude, it was, it was, it was wild. It was,

[00:12:41] she's online. She kept everyone comes online right precisely at 10 a.m. My time was, was it

[00:12:48] when it came on 10 a.m. My time. And she goes, hi, this is going to take 12 minutes. This is,

[00:12:53] this is Kaylee. I'm a, hello, going to do the scene. I'm going to give you a note,

[00:12:57] you're going to do the scene again. And then it'll be done. And I was like, oh, okay.

[00:13:01] So we do this thing. She gives me a note. I do the thing again. Thank you very much. Bye. Boom.

[00:13:05] Done. Cut and dry, man. Like, and I was like, wow, I did not get that. There's no way. I

[00:13:11] like, be harder to resume table read. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. Like, I was like, oh, okay. Well,

[00:13:17] that's, that's not my part. I didn't get that shit along for you.

[00:13:21] got the call. Oh, I found out like two weeks later. Okay, there was some back and forth and I got

[00:13:27] to give I got to give it to ESA she fought for me she fought for me she wanted me the producers

[00:13:31] wanted someone else and she said look we can send this guy to the gym I lost about 25 pounds

[00:13:37] for this while like I was I was in the gym as soon as I got that call three days later I was

[00:13:40] working out and I was working out six days a week busting my butt and made it happen so yeah.

[00:13:46] What was the description you were given for this character. Kavik I mean he's a bartender

[00:13:52] well secret bartender he's not actually he runs a burger joint but it's what's called a dab town

[00:13:58] and so he also creates he makes his own moonsha and homebrew and he sells that under the table

[00:14:04] and he's a dog runner so he skirts the law but he's got this he's got a really strong moral center

[00:14:11] and that was about all that I was given given and I had to build on that and I just decided you

[00:14:17] know what Kavik was raised by powerful matriarchs he really respects women he's not going to try and

[00:14:22] assume any roles and push him around and it was the right instinct because he really liked what I did

[00:14:29] and if you've seen the series there's a great scene in a fishing shack that wasn't in the original

[00:14:35] bit and through the span of filming she gave me this extra scene in there so.

[00:14:41] Can you mention Iceland too how long were you there for filming?

[00:14:45] Oh I was well they took a total of six months I think six or yeah six or seven months I think

[00:14:52] five six seven and I was there three times I was supposed to be there twice I was there for

[00:14:56] the table read and then I was up there for another two weeks to film all my scenes but because we

[00:15:01] added this extra scene with the fishing shack I was I was broadened again so I was really thrilled

[00:15:08] with that it just felt really validating to see someone really like you're work enough to give

[00:15:14] you some more so yeah yeah that's it's an honor. It's been a crazy ride for you and before we

[00:15:23] went on the area we also mentioned that the character means Wolverine also like did you know

[00:15:27] that when you first saw the name did you know that or did he tell you well the funny thing

[00:15:32] about that is that my character was originally called Kanak. Kanak. But the name Kanak means

[00:15:39] crazy. So they changed it. They changed it and they changed it and they changed it to

[00:15:44] to Kavik and yeah it means Wolverine so they thought that was that was cooler I guess and so

[00:15:49] with that yeah but we had a really funny blooper I would say where Kaley actually got mad at me

[00:15:56] during a scene and she's like you know fuck you fuck you kavik and she gets up and leaves but

[00:16:02] during the original taste you know fuck you Kanak and that's awesome yeah all right is there

[00:16:09] on is there any like elements of this character like plot points that you suggested to maybe change

[00:16:15] a little bit while you guys were filming this like did you bounce back and forth with the writer

[00:16:19] the directors? No no I was allowed to improv a bit and offer some of my own things I mean

[00:16:26] that's SpongeBob line that was something that I had put in there SpongeBob who lives in a pineapple

[00:16:31] and cleans your teeth I think I think yeah so there's just little little things like that I got

[00:16:36] the kind of pepper in and Issa to her credit is like if she appreciates that kind of stuff there

[00:16:42] was she she would always do one one for what they think they wanted another one with a little bit

[00:16:49] of move and then one where she was just like just do what you what you like let's see you can come up

[00:16:54] with we use SpongeBob fan is that why you threw that in there oh no no the SpongeBob was written

[00:17:00] in but that's specific the specific wording I just was just like yeah like why is SpongeBob

[00:17:04] cool you know sort of thing yeah I'm defending my toothbrush basically and yeah I mean who doesn't

[00:17:09] like SpongeBob my son loves it I have to change it sometimes it's always on the TV yeah exactly

[00:17:16] right like and then that's who gave me the SpongeBob toothbrush was my nephews kavik's nephews

[00:17:22] you know it's it's it's all in this your personal character's backstory right

[00:17:26] when would you start of filming this did you uh did they give you the script straight through

[00:17:32] the end or were you doing script like you know an episode by episode oh yeah no we filmed it it was

[00:17:37] all out of order filming so I got the entire the entire thing to read I was I flew up there I was

[00:17:42] given all of the scripts um I was really moved I enjoyed it a lot um and and there were things that

[00:17:48] would happen on on set much like that scene that needed to be added in because someone couldn't

[00:17:53] do this this scene there was an older gentleman that was cast in and he wasn't able to make it

[00:17:59] unfortunately so I got put into this new thing and they wrote rewrote this whole thing but this

[00:18:04] I was appreciative of that they were trying to represent the culture correctly and so there were

[00:18:11] things that were being rewritten um to to accurately reflect these people in the way of life on the

[00:18:20] spot we had cultural consultants um and they were you know able to make a better product in the end

[00:18:26] I want to call this a spoiler real quick so if people are going to listen to this

[00:18:32] shut it off right here but uh while you're reading the script were you did you think you were the

[00:18:36] killer at first did I get an idea go through your head I mean a little a little bit but because

[00:18:41] because uh of my initial talk when uh Issa called me up to tell me about um before I read the

[00:18:49] scripts she was like he's he's he's a good you have the right impulse he's a good guy dot

[00:18:53] dot dot dot dot dot so then I was immediately I was like all right my guy's the heart you know

[00:18:58] he's he's a good person so reading it I was like there's no way I'm the killer you know and I was

[00:19:03] like no way uh no and it started moving off and by episode five I was like okay there's no way I

[00:19:08] can definitely I can definitely can't be the killer and uh episode six I was like I have my

[00:19:13] little my smaller part in the final episode but I was like all right that that's that's fitting

[00:19:18] it's a hard break the reason I was asking is because I went through like I was going through

[00:19:21] like researching more on this on the show and everything in your character and people were like

[00:19:25] going back and forth were like they thought you were either a like a secret villain pretty much

[00:19:29] or the good guy they were like going back and forth throughout like past six weeks now

[00:19:33] someone forwarded me something like that yeah they were they were like Kavik is definitely he's

[00:19:39] too good he's too nice of a guy and I was laughing I was like yeah I can see why you know like

[00:19:44] there's that's that's how uh TV would have you right have you believe there just can't be a good

[00:19:49] person right the one thing they were disappointed with was uh Kavik and Navarro's story like it just

[00:19:53] like we don't have an ending to that story what happened like what do you think would have happened

[00:19:57] with them yeah right I mean and that's the thing it is open to interpretation

[00:20:04] Mine was, I think that she does come back personally.

[00:20:07] That's, I like to live in the land of hope.

[00:20:10] And I think that she was okay. She didn't actually walk,

[00:20:14] walk off into the ice forever.

[00:20:16] She's just decided to lay low and come back eventually.

[00:20:20] Cause come on.

[00:20:21] Can I have a school? How could you resist that dude?

[00:20:23] He's got a bunch of dogs.

[00:20:24] Is that clean teeth?

[00:20:25] That's right. That's right.

[00:20:27] What was the working with that? You mentioned,

[00:20:29] Kelly, a few times, or even like Jody Foster Lee. How was it working with them?

[00:20:33] Well, Kelly, the very generous,

[00:20:37] and I'm glad that I was able to film that intimate scene with her

[00:20:43] and put her at ease because it was the most scary scene for her,

[00:20:48] to get into something like that.

[00:20:51] And that was day one. That was day one.

[00:20:53] But again, thankfully for big, big ops to Lucy Fennell,

[00:20:58] who is our intimacy coordinator.

[00:21:00] I'm glad that that's the standard now in the industry.

[00:21:05] Because it takes a lot of that fear away.

[00:21:09] And we're still able to create something believable and keep her in control of the scene that we had done.

[00:21:14] And Jody is a remarkably intelligent,

[00:21:18] personable, incredibly well read. She's, you know, she's,

[00:21:21] she is the heavyweight champion of acting in this.

[00:21:26] It's been an industry for a long time.

[00:21:28] Yeah, exactly. And it's so good to see her back on film again, you know,

[00:21:31] like doing a TV series on real that she hasn't done this in so long.

[00:21:34] And she's so friendly.

[00:21:37] She, when I showed up for the second time after I'd been away after the table read,

[00:21:42] and I was still working on losing weight, and I showed up again,

[00:21:45] and she came running up to me and she slaps my belly and like,

[00:21:48] "Good job, you did it!" She knew how hard I was working at it.

[00:21:52] And, yeah, it just, it just humanizes her so quickly, you know,

[00:21:56] because during that table read and looking at her and I'm like,

[00:21:59] "Oh my gosh, it's her. It's this. Wow." You know, this mythical figure of acting.

[00:22:05] And then, nah, just, she's just a bro.

[00:22:08] Was it, uh, did anybody on set give you any advice for joining a series like this?

[00:22:14] No, the, the, the nice thing was that there were so many of us that were new.

[00:22:19] I mean, Akka, it was her first filming anything that I'm aware of.

[00:22:26] A lot of us were theater people. Indigenous people aren't really famous,

[00:22:31] even when we're famous. So there was a lot of community already there.

[00:22:36] We all would bond and hang out, and there's a lot of humor that you,

[00:22:40] we all mutually understand as Indigenous folks.

[00:22:44] So that connection was there, and I think it just kind of took a lot of the edge off

[00:22:48] and allowed us to actually, uh, invest ourselves in our characters without that,

[00:22:53] you know, fear of, you're on a mammoth of a show.

[00:22:57] You better be able to, you know, we're already there, you know,

[00:23:00] and we're already there because we earned that spot.

[00:23:03] So just work on our art and make it happen. And, uh, yeah, we're better for it.

[00:23:09] That's awesome. I'm, I'm happy that to see like everybody loved your character at the end.

[00:23:13] Like, you see some of the comments out there.

[00:23:15] They, it's like some people, some people want to marry you out if you've noticed that go out there.

[00:23:20] Look, they're saying habo habo for you.

[00:23:23] I just saw that earlier, earlier today. And I'm like, uh, that's hilarious.

[00:23:27] I appreciate that. Yeah. Big uncle energy. Uh, yeah. People like those uncles, I guess. Um, yeah.

[00:23:33] So, um, let's talk a little bit about an avatar too. Like, cause that's number one show right now in Netflix.

[00:23:37] How's that about your, your number one show in the world, right now? Isn't that nuts?

[00:23:42] I just saw that title pop up in a headline today. And I was like, what?

[00:23:46] Are you kidding? Yeah. I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled about, um, avatar. I mean, it was, uh,

[00:23:53] I did this movie called beans. Um, it was about five years ago. And it was about this event in Canada called the Oka Crisis in 1990.

[00:24:02] And there was this Mohawk uprising and the woman, or the woman, the kid who played beans is a go and do who's playing guitar in avatar.

[00:24:11] And I played her father in that movie and, uh, Rainbow Dickerson played her mother and they liked that family dynamic that we had so much that they got us to audition for avatar as well.

[00:24:23] And, uh, both rainbow and myself ended up, I was, I was a bit of a rounder story, uh, got into it though. And we ended up getting the parts.

[00:24:33] Um, so I was originally offered Bato and I was, uh, I was days away from signing on the dotted line for this other project that I was doing. And I'm like, I'm going to do this other thing.

[00:24:43] Bato is cool. Have a good time. I wish you guys all well. And then they came back and were like, well, what about Hakoda? I was like, okay, bye bye other project.

[00:24:53] Yeah.

[00:24:55] I mean, yeah, that's awesome. I, what, uh, what can he tell us a little about that character?

[00:25:01] Hakoda. Yeah. I mean, I mean, for those that don't know he's the father of two of the main character, Saka Katara. Um, and he has had to go away to fight a war because, uh, Fire Nation has decimated the Southern Water Tribe. There's, they're just hanging on barely.

[00:25:19] And so he leaves his son to protect the village. Um, and him and his, all the men are off fighting this gorilla campaign. And, uh, if you're a fan of the cartoon, you know what's coming. Um, season two and three.

[00:25:31] Uh, they lead the big charge. Dakota's, uh, Dakota's the main general, uh, and leads the charge, uh, with this, this really hodgepodge, amazing group of characters that they've met over the, over their journeys.

[00:25:43] And so I'm really excited about that. Um, badass, good father. Um, just making some really tough choices in the moment. So I'm, I'm excited about having, having those moments later on.

[00:25:54] Amazing. What's, uh, what's thanks for, you know, any other projects allowed to tell us about?

[00:25:58] Uh, just that. Yeah, just sweet summer pow wow was coming out there. My friend, Daryl Dennis wrote, directed it. Um, I'm playing an uncle trying to help my nephew find love, and they're shopping it around right now. So we'll see if they can find a distributor.

[00:26:11] And, uh, once that's out, then, uh, who knows, who knows. We'll see.

[00:26:16] That's awesome. So Joe, uh, lastly, it's done this by a huck in the viewers and listeners find you on social media to keep up with you.

[00:26:22] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Check out, um, I'm on Instagram. Uh, it's just my name Joel D. Mokron. All one word, no double letters like that. So amazing.

[00:26:31] So thank you for giving me this today. This was great. Next project. Let's get you back on continuing this conversation.

[00:26:36] That's awesome. I appreciate it. Thank you so much.

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